Find great deals on eBay for ortgies. Shop with confidence. I am new to the forum and just recently acquired an Ortgies Patent Deutsche Werke Erfurt 7.65mm (32 acp) Pistol from my grandfather. It is in pretty good condition from what I can tell.
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Thanks for visiting and we hope you become a regular! I once had two Ortgies in.32 and one in.25. The Ortgies (ORT-geese) is named for its inventor, Heinrich Ortgies, and was manufactured at Deutsche Werft, primarily one of many shipbuilders in Kiel, Germany. The early pistols had Heinrich Ortgies' initials in the emblems in the grip panels, an H in an O, tilted. Later examples have a script 'DW' in the emblems.
The Orgies pistol is well-known for three characteristics: 1) It has no screws, not one. 2) Both the.32 and the.25 are noted for snapping the right lug off the striker, which results in the pistol dumping the mag full auto as soon as the slide is cycled. (Ask me how I know this.) Lesson learned: DO NOT dry fire an Ortgies without a snap cap or fired cartridge, and EVEN THEN, be prepared for the pistol to 'burp' the mag empty when you rack the slide after inserting a full mag.
Also, it pays to have a spare striker on hand. And no, the strikers are NOT the same for the.32 and.25. The.25 striker is a 'baby brother' to that used in the.32. 3) The grip panels on both the.32 and the.25 are held in place by a bevel machined into the wood on the front edge, and a rotating steel clip riveted to the inside of the wood grip panel accessible from the magazine well by a screwdriver.
You MUST rotate the spring clip away from the frame and GENTLY push out on the panel lest you chip off the bevel on the front edge of the grip panel. There are MANY Ortgies pistols with F-ed up grip panels with all kinds of 'repairs' effected. If when buying an Ortgies, get a flashlight and take a peek up the magwell and look the inside of both grip panels for repairs. They will be obvious. Upshot: I had heard much about the Ortgies pistols from collectors of small pocket autos, how cool they are, how well-made, how unique because of no screws, and how some were imported to the US before WWII and had English rollmarks, and some were bringbacks that had German rollmarkings. So I wanted to join the club.
Both.32s that I ended up with had good strikers when I bought them, yet both strikers lost their right side lugs and went FA on me. I spent way more than I should have for new strikers at Numrich and Popperts, got the guns functioning, and promptly sold all three. If you're only interested in collecting and not shooting, no problem. But IMO if you plan to shoot and Ortgies, exercise care and DO expect it to sooner or later go FA on yo azz. Noah Last edited by NoahZark; April 5th, 2011 at 12:32 PM. I once had two Ortgies in.32 and one in.25. The Ortgies (ORT-geese) is named for its inventor, Heinrich Ortgies, and was manufactured at Deutsche Werft, primarily one of many shipbuilders in Kiel, Germany.
The early pistols had Heinrich Ortgies' initials in the emblems in the grip panels, an H in an O, tilted. Later examples have a script 'DW' in the emblems. The Orgies pistol is well-known for three characteristics: 1) It has no screws, not one. 2) Both the.32 and the.25 are noted for snapping the right lug off the striker, which results in the pistol dumping the mag full auto as soon as the slide is cycled. (Ask me how I know this.) Lesson learned: DO NOT dry fire an Ortgies without a snap cap or fired cartridge, and EVEN THEN, be prepared for the pistol to 'burp' the mag empty when you rack the slide after inserting a full mag. Also, it pays to have a spare striker on hand.
And no, the strikers are NOT the same for the.32 and.25. The.25 striker is a 'baby brother' to that used in the.32. 3) The grip panels on both the.32 and the.25 are held in place by a bevel machined into the wood on the front edge, and a rotating steel clip riveted to the inside of the wood grip panel accessible from the magazine well by a screwdriver. You MUST rotate the spring clip away from the frame and GENTLY push out on the panel lest you chip off the bevel on the front edge of the grip panel. There are MANY Ortgies pistols with F-ed up grip panels with all kinds of 'repairs' effected.
If when buying an Ortgies, get a flashlight and take a peek up the magwell and look the inside of both grip panels for repairs. They will be obvious. Upshot: I had heard much about the Ortgies pistols from collectors of small pocket autos, how cool they are, how well-made, how unique because of no screws, and how some were imported to the US before WWII and had English rollmarks, and some were bringbacks that had German rollmarkings. So I wanted to join the club.
Both.32s that I ended up with had good strikers when I bought them, yet both strikers lost their right side lugs and went FA on me. I spent way more than I should have for new strikers at Numrich and Popperts, got the guns functioning, and promptly sold all three. If you're only interested in collecting and not shooting, no problem. But IMO if you plan to shoot and Ortgies, exercise care and DO expect it to sooner or later go FA on yo azz. NoahGreat info - thanks!!!! I once had two Ortgies in.32 and one in.25.
The Ortgies (ORT-geese) is named for its inventor, Heinrich Ortgies, and was manufactured at Deutsche Werft, primarily one of many shipbuilders in Kiel, Germany. The early pistols had Heinrich Ortgies' initials in the emblems in the grip panels, an H in an O, tilted. Later examples have a script 'DW' in the emblems.
The Orgies pistol is well-known for three characteristics: 1) It has no screws, not one. 2) Both the.32 and the.25 are noted for snapping the right lug off the striker, which results in the pistol dumping the mag full auto as soon as the slide is cycled. (Ask me how I know this.) Lesson learned: DO NOT dry fire an Ortgies without a snap cap or fired cartridge, and EVEN THEN, be prepared for the pistol to 'burp' the mag empty when you rack the slide after inserting a full mag. Also, it pays to have a spare striker on hand. And no, the strikers are NOT the same for the.32 and.25. The.25 striker is a 'baby brother' to that used in the.32. 3) The grip panels on both the.32 and the.25 are held in place by a bevel machined into the wood on the front edge, and a rotating steel clip riveted to the inside of the wood grip panel accessible from the magazine well by a screwdriver.
You MUST rotate the spring clip away from the frame and GENTLY push out on the panel lest you chip off the bevel on the front edge of the grip panel. There are MANY Ortgies pistols with F-ed up grip panels with all kinds of 'repairs' effected. If when buying an Ortgies, get a flashlight and take a peek up the magwell and look the inside of both grip panels for repairs. They will be obvious. Upshot: I had heard much about the Ortgies pistols from collectors of small pocket autos, how cool they are, how well-made, how unique because of no screws, and how some were imported to the US before WWII and had English rollmarks, and some were bringbacks that had German rollmarkings. So I wanted to join the club.
Both.32s that I ended up with had good strikers when I bought them, yet both strikers lost their right side lugs and went FA on me. I spent way more than I should have for new strikers at Numrich and Popperts, got the guns functioning, and promptly sold all three. If you're only interested in collecting and not shooting, no problem. But IMO if you plan to shoot and Ortgies, exercise care and DO expect it to sooner or later go FA on yo azz.
NoahThanks for the information. A buddy I've been trading with for 30 years owns two Ortgies and loves them. I'm happy to give him the heads up. I'm glad I'm not the only one who was thinking along those lines. Hmmm, maybe that's why I was drawn to wanting an Ortgies - memories of earlier days Here's one of the reasons I thought the Nickel was a bit rare: In keeping with prevalent economics in Germany at the time, factory finishes were limited to bluing or, rarely, nickel. The latter finish could be either matte or bright. No Ortgies pistol was produced with a chrome finish or, aside from one known salesman's sample, with factory engraving.1 Production ceased in 1924.
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And I know I read somewhere else that the matte was rarer than the bright? Now I'll have to go search for that salesman's sample Here is what I have been told is the best info.
LSB#: 180129MG64 Make: Deutsche Werke Model: Ortgies Model 1920 Large Frame (Serial Number: 116413 Year of Manufacture: 1921-1924 Caliber:.32 A.C.P. (7.65mm Browning) Action Type: Single Action Semi-Auto Pistol with Removable Magazine Markings: The left side of the slide is marked “DEUTSCHE WERKE” and “WERK ERFURT” with a circled stylized “D” in the center. The right side of the slide is marked “ORTGIES’ PATENT”. The right side of the frame behind the trigger is marked with a “Crowned N” proof.
The bottom of the frame in front of the trigger guard is marked “116413 / Germany”. The barrel at the port is marked with a “Crowned N” proof and “CAL. The underside rear of the frame (above mainspring housing) is marked “L”. The left side of the barrel at the chamber and the right flat on the underside of the slide are marked “116413”. The right flat is also marked “7’ and the left flat is marked “N” and with a script “R”. There is also a script “R” marked on the left side of the barrel chamber and on the left side of the frame just below it. Barrel Length: 3 ½” Sights / Optics: The front sight is a short blade fixed to the slide.
The rear sight is a “V” groove in the base formed on the back of the slide. Stock Configuration & Condition: There are no grips on the gun. Type of Finish: Blue Finish Originality: The finish is original. Bore Condition: The bore is gray with very light wear in the rifling. There is light erosion scattered throughout the bore, mostly in the grooves.
Overall Condition: This handgun retains about 35% of its metal finish. There is surface loss on the edges of the slide and frame, and thinning on the remainder, with a plum colored patina starting to develop in the thinned areas. There is extremely light pitting scattered over the edges of the slide. There are light handling marks scattered over the surfaces with several small dings. The tips of the slide serrations show moderate wear. The markings are mostly clear with a few shallow characters. Overall, this handgun rates in about Poor condition.
Mechanics: The striker, striker spring and its guide rod are missing, as a minimum. We did not fire this handgun. As with all used firearms, a thorough cleaning may be necessary to meet your maintenance standards.
Box, Paperwork & Accessories: This pistol does not come with a magazine. Our Assessment: From Wikipedia: “The pistol was produced in 6.35 mm, 7.65 mm, and 9 mm variants. Although not expensive, at the time it was of advanced design and high-quality construction with relatively few parts and well-sealed against dirt. Metal components were forged or machined, and assembly in general made no use of screws, even securing the wooden grips with metal clips. The hammerless action depended on a spring-loaded striker to fire the cartridge. Unusual design features included the safety and the multi-caliber magazine.
The safety was a lever inset into the back of the grip and, with the gun cocked, forced backward out of the grip into the 'safe' position by spring tension from the firing pin upon depression of a button under the slide. Thus, engaging the safety simultaneously reduced tension on the firing pin spring.
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To disengage the safety, a shooter simply would squeeze the grip, pressing the lever forward and locking it flush with the back of the pistol. The Ortgies was a well-balanced, sturdy weapon that found considerable favor in competitive shooting. In 1921, prize winners at some 70% of principal shooting competitions had chosen Ortgies 7.65 mm pistols, and the winner of the German championship on September 26, 1921, at Halensee, Germany, took the prize firing an Ortgies. At the other end of the user spectrum, outlaw John Dillinger carried an Ortgies.”. This is a very uniquely made pistol that has seen some use as well as having some of its parts removed. There is about 35% of its original finish remaining and the serial numbers are all matching.
The bore is gray with very light wear in the rifling and light erosion in the grooves. This pistol should be of interest to collectors as it was only made for 3 years by Deutsche Werke – production being forced to stop due to the Treaty of Versailles. There are enough variations in slide markings and calibers to make an entire collection of just Ortgies pistols. Hopefully, some of the collectors have some spare parts they can use to get this old gem functioning again.
CA Legal or CA Private Party Transferable: This C&R eligible handgun CAN be transferred as a dealer sale in California but CANNOT be sold as a Private Party Transfer (PPT) at our shop in Simi Valley. All cartridge firing handguns (even C&R's and antiques) sold to a California resident must be DROS'd. This does not apply to out of state residents. LSB#: 180129MG64 Make: Deutsche Werke Model: Ortgies Model 1920 Large Frame (Serial Number: 116413 Year o.
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